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The Most Dangerous Apple by KeswickPinhead The Most Dangerous Apple by KeswickPinhead
"Teach your children well" - Crosby Stills Nash and Young.

For those of you who believe that "Eve" got "Adam" driven from the garden of Eden because she ate of the tree of knowledge....
Do you want your children to be learned members of society, or sheltered superstitious paranoids?
Do you want your FEMALE children to believe that a woman learning is to be DISCOURAGED?
After all, that's what is being implied, isn't it?

This message brought to you by Atheism.
I believe that belief is unbelievable.
I believe that an education based upon FACT is important.
I believe that our tax money should NOT be used to indoctrinate children into ANY religious cult...
... like the Catholic Church.
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014
The effects of the fruit were PUNISHMENTS from God, it didn't come from the fruit itself.
KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014   General Artist
...if you believe in deities. I do not. An non existent deity instructed his creations to not learn. One must assume that god thinks us thinking is bad.
DarkSideDuck Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
MomomomomomoLily eating an Apple 
KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014   General Artist
CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, knowledge should be avoided, said the Church. That's why we have canonized saints and books/works written by them in secular college campuses.
Saints Thomas Aquinas, Augustine of Hippo, and Thomas More, are three I can name right off the bat.

Also, it was properly called the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil", and up until that point Adam and Eve knew only good. They were forbidden to eat from that tree for about the same reason little kids aren't allowed to watch hardcore porn. But explaining this is kind of pointless, as you won't take any of it to heart and write me off as a fanatic anyway.

Open-minded and well-informed atheist, everybody!
KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 14, 2014   General Artist
Please tell Galileo and the Salem Witches all about how open to actual fact religious folks are.
Or the cop who shot a goat a car thief had magically changed into using voodoo.
Tell it to the women who are thrown on their husband's funeral pyre, or the ones killed in the name of family "honour".
Please refrain from supposing that I know nothing of religion.
CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 14, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
First off, you cited examples from various different religions to attack one; the Galileo incident was Catholic, the witch hunts were the Puritan, voodoo-cop guy was...voodoo, the Sati practice is Hindu, and the honor killings are Islamic. For someone who knows about religion, you really strayed off topic at decrying only one!

Second, I only brought up the Catholic Church, so I'll only focus on the issue with Galileo, as that was the only argument that even related. And there is more to the story than you'd think.

For one, Galileo didn't 'discover' heliocentricity, nor did he prove it. Copernicus and Kepler were two astronomers who proposed this idea long before Galileo did. Additionally, geocentricity (sun, moon & stars revolve around Earth) was a widely held belief at the time - it was even held in pre-Christian times, and even the most scholarly scientists of Galileo's day believed it was true. It wasn't superstition, it was just what seemed to be the case then.

Aristotle held this position in Ancient Greece, pre-Roman, pre-Catholic. Aristotle even made a strong case against the idea of a heliocentric solar system: If heliocentrism were true, then there would be observable parallax shifts in the stars’ positions as the earth moved in its orbit around the sun. Technology back then wasn't available to observe such shifts, so Galileo couldn't really prove his case.

It would have been fine if Galileo had proposed heliocentricity as a good theory, considering there wasn't enough evidence at the time to conclude it was true. But he started stating that it was true, and was needless to say met with opposition - not because people were afraid of 'facts', but because they legitimately were not met with enough facts to buy his idea. Some of his opponents did site passages from Scripture that seemed to contradict his theory. Seemed being the important part.

"One does not read in the Gospel that the Lord said: ‘I will send you the Paraclete who will teach you about the course of the sun and moon.’ For he willed to make them Christians, not mathematicians." (St. Augustine). Even other Catholics were calling Scripture-quoting as a counterargument a bad idea. And while there are passages that allude to what looked like the sun and moon staying still in the sky, it didn't necessarily imply that's what was literally going on. It just happened to look like that based on what those writing the books could see. Even today, we refer to 'sunrise' and 'sunset' even though we know it's the Earth turning - it just sounds cooler than 'Earth turns'.

So the problem wasn't Galileo proving the Church wrong - it was really him overstepping his boundaries and making a scientific issue (one that he couldn't even prove beyond all doubt at the time) into a theological one. He was eventually placed on house arrest for life with a servant, which really amounts to his sentence being more like getting grounded than tortured and executed. All documentation and records of the time (even accounts from his friend Nicolini, who regularly visited him) say that he was actually given a pretty good stay. Giorgio de Santillana even said "We must, if anything, admire the cautiousness and legal scruples of the Roman authorities." (for the record, that guy isn't really too fond of the Church).

Has the Catholic Church made mistakes? Yes. Were they anti-science? No.
KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 15, 2014   General Artist
I mentioned more than one religion as an explanation that I reject all religion.
I have particular contempt for the Catholic School officials, like Frances Bagley, who were prepared to lie on the stand, and those that continue to employ them.
CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I understand your position, but my point is that you're wrong about the Catholic Church being anti-science.
KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 22, 2014   General Artist
Your opinion is compromised by their history.
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