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The Most Dangerous Apple by KeswickPinhead The Most Dangerous Apple by KeswickPinhead
"Teach your children well" - Crosby Stills Nash and Young.

For those of you who believe that "Eve" got "Adam" driven from the garden of Eden because she ate of the tree of knowledge....
Do you want your children to be learned members of society, or sheltered superstitious paranoids?
Do you want your FEMALE children to believe that a woman learning is to be DISCOURAGED?
After all, that's what is being implied, isn't it?

This message brought to you by Atheism.
I believe that belief is unbelievable.
I believe that an education based upon FACT is important.
I believe that our tax money should NOT be used to indoctrinate children into ANY religious cult...
... like the Catholic Church.
.......
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SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014
The effects of the fruit were PUNISHMENTS from God, it didn't come from the fruit itself.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014   General Artist
...if you believe in deities. I do not. An non existent deity instructed his creations to not learn. One must assume that god thinks us thinking is bad.
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DarkSideDuck Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014
MomomomomomoLily eating an Apple 
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014   General Artist
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Yeah, knowledge should be avoided, said the Church. That's why we have canonized saints and books/works written by them in secular college campuses.
Saints Thomas Aquinas, Augustine of Hippo, and Thomas More, are three I can name right off the bat.

Also, it was properly called the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil", and up until that point Adam and Eve knew only good. They were forbidden to eat from that tree for about the same reason little kids aren't allowed to watch hardcore porn. But explaining this is kind of pointless, as you won't take any of it to heart and write me off as a fanatic anyway.

Open-minded and well-informed atheist, everybody!
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 14, 2014   General Artist
Please tell Galileo and the Salem Witches all about how open to actual fact religious folks are.
Or the cop who shot a goat a car thief had magically changed into using voodoo.
Tell it to the women who are thrown on their husband's funeral pyre, or the ones killed in the name of family "honour".
Please refrain from supposing that I know nothing of religion.
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 14, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
First off, you cited examples from various different religions to attack one; the Galileo incident was Catholic, the witch hunts were the Puritan, voodoo-cop guy was...voodoo, the Sati practice is Hindu, and the honor killings are Islamic. For someone who knows about religion, you really strayed off topic at decrying only one!

Second, I only brought up the Catholic Church, so I'll only focus on the issue with Galileo, as that was the only argument that even related. And there is more to the story than you'd think.

For one, Galileo didn't 'discover' heliocentricity, nor did he prove it. Copernicus and Kepler were two astronomers who proposed this idea long before Galileo did. Additionally, geocentricity (sun, moon & stars revolve around Earth) was a widely held belief at the time - it was even held in pre-Christian times, and even the most scholarly scientists of Galileo's day believed it was true. It wasn't superstition, it was just what seemed to be the case then.

Aristotle held this position in Ancient Greece, pre-Roman, pre-Catholic. Aristotle even made a strong case against the idea of a heliocentric solar system: If heliocentrism were true, then there would be observable parallax shifts in the stars’ positions as the earth moved in its orbit around the sun. Technology back then wasn't available to observe such shifts, so Galileo couldn't really prove his case.

It would have been fine if Galileo had proposed heliocentricity as a good theory, considering there wasn't enough evidence at the time to conclude it was true. But he started stating that it was true, and was needless to say met with opposition - not because people were afraid of 'facts', but because they legitimately were not met with enough facts to buy his idea. Some of his opponents did site passages from Scripture that seemed to contradict his theory. Seemed being the important part.

"One does not read in the Gospel that the Lord said: ‘I will send you the Paraclete who will teach you about the course of the sun and moon.’ For he willed to make them Christians, not mathematicians." (St. Augustine). Even other Catholics were calling Scripture-quoting as a counterargument a bad idea. And while there are passages that allude to what looked like the sun and moon staying still in the sky, it didn't necessarily imply that's what was literally going on. It just happened to look like that based on what those writing the books could see. Even today, we refer to 'sunrise' and 'sunset' even though we know it's the Earth turning - it just sounds cooler than 'Earth turns'.

So the problem wasn't Galileo proving the Church wrong - it was really him overstepping his boundaries and making a scientific issue (one that he couldn't even prove beyond all doubt at the time) into a theological one. He was eventually placed on house arrest for life with a servant, which really amounts to his sentence being more like getting grounded than tortured and executed. All documentation and records of the time (even accounts from his friend Nicolini, who regularly visited him) say that he was actually given a pretty good stay. Giorgio de Santillana even said "We must, if anything, admire the cautiousness and legal scruples of the Roman authorities." (for the record, that guy isn't really too fond of the Church).

Has the Catholic Church made mistakes? Yes. Were they anti-science? No.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 15, 2014   General Artist
I mentioned more than one religion as an explanation that I reject all religion.
I have particular contempt for the Catholic School officials, like Frances Bagley, who were prepared to lie on the stand, and those that continue to employ them.
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I understand your position, but my point is that you're wrong about the Catholic Church being anti-science.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 22, 2014   General Artist
Your opinion is compromised by their history.
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
It's not an opinion. I backed that up with historical facts.
Just admit you're wrong.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 22, 2014   General Artist
I'm not. And I backed up my argument with facts as well.
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Gorche Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Student Photographer
I love this, This just gave me a great idea for the next picture in my 'God Delusion' series, Its a work in progress but its getting there,

{God, the pseudo Scientist} by Gato-DeSogni    {Church, a capitalist front} by Gato-DeSogni  
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014   General Artist
Glad to be of help, keep up the wood gork. :)
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superstrudel Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Nice!...but not agree, at least in a very different level.

Don't you think Knowledge (science) is very dangerous, in humans's hands? Look at the earth's carnage...due to the science! I think science in humanity hands is like a gun in child's hand!

In a century, perhaps less, Religion (even if it's just lies) will kill less people than science, I bet!
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   General Artist
I disagree. Science is knowledge and knowledge is a good thing.
It wasn't the scientists who dropped the atomic bombs on civilians, it was Military people, many of whom openly express their religious beliefs.
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
You were not being serious. Please say you were not being serious.
So let me get this straight - "Science doesn't kill people, religious people with sciency things that can kill people kill people!"
Eugenicists are always religious, no exceptions.
Marxists, Communists, Fascists, are always religious, no exceptions.
Drug dealers (methamphetamine does require a level of knowledge in chemistry) are always religious, no exceptions.
Finally, "Military people" who dropped the A-bombs were ordered to by the government. The ones doing the dirty work here had no idea what the full consequences of the bomb would be at the time.

Don't you dare pull bullshit like that!
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 14, 2014   General Artist
And yet I have had people argue that, and I quote, "Atheism is the official Communist religion".
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 14, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
So you're criticizing the use of bullshit stupid arguments, and then giving out bullshit stupid arguments?
Doesn't sound logical to me, kind of more like hypocrisy...but I'm not an atheist, so I wouldn't know.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner May 15, 2014   General Artist
Your opinion of my opinion is duly noted and considered for its worth.
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CelticKawaii Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Okay.
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superstrudel Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
science is knowledge (agree) and knowledge is a good thing (disagree! not in any case!)

Scientists are not Good people, and military Bad people, things are not this simple! We're only Humans, with weakness, desires, cowardice sometimes.

Science and Knowledge don't sublimate us, don't make us wise and careful. (neither religion) But science make us powerful, and then : dangerous.

By example, that's because of Science (not directly, I'm agree) that me and you -occidental people- use 15 times our real need in fresh water in a day. water channeling without control is NOT a wise idea. Scientist are not Good, they're human. With weakness.

If you think that the Science will save our actual problems, I think you forgot the human nature. Science don't change human nature. It just make men more powerful. And more dangerous.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   General Artist
I never suggested that science alone would "save our actual problems".
I said, in the piece, that funding religion, and therefore propagating the ignorance that religion advocates, is not something we should be paying tax money to do.
I stand by that statement.
Scientific breakthroughs can be misused, to be sure, but that does not make the science itself bad.
The same cannot be said about the words and deeds of people of religion.
Leaders of Religion promote division, in my opinion.
We are all humans, and the splitting and blaming that all religious groups do does not make for a peaceful planet.
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superstrudel Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
You're totally right, for the first part.
Well, I'm not sure that religion promote division in all case, but I've no example to argue my opinion! You may be right for this. In fact, religion is not what I saw in this picture.

To me, science -only because science is used by men- is "bad", or, to the best, menacing. (and I have a biology degree in proteomics!) Your picture of the forbbiden apple is, ironically, well found ( like in "brave new world", "Soylent Green", "deus ex" recently...well, a lot of sci-fi movie or game, after all...)

To summarise : I'm agree with the picture, without irony ; and no need of religion to make the picture works!

Forgive my long text, and my horrible english! :)
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013   General Artist
No need to apologize, your English is definitely far superior to my knowledge of your language.:)
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DreamerRealm Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Adam and Eve fell because of Disobedience and making themselves God. Pride afterall is the root of all other sins.

Also, if you are an Atheist, then you know nothing about the Catholic Church, because if you do, then you wouldn't speak so ill about Her.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2012   General Artist
I know they violated my rights.
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star500 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2012
Christians have a thing against knowledge.
Look at Solomon the wise.
Supposedly he was given his wisdom by god.
Then he apparently forsake God(cant be asked to find out more).
That leaves the question: Why would a man grated wisdom by god forsake him?
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2012   General Artist
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I know I wouldn't.
I believe in rewarding good behaviour.
If someone does a good deed, I praise them. If they are kind, I am kind in return.
If they are cruel, I make my feelings known too.
If they break the law, I do every thing I can to have them punished, including making their actions public knowledge if need be.
I don't pick favourites, if a cop breaks the law, they should pay, just like the rest of us...
In fact, cops should be held to a HIGHER standard of law because they swear to uphold it.
Solomon didn't forsake anything, he just got wiser.:)
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Ainrana Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
My parents think I became an atheist due to the lack of going to church.
Nope. I just ate a lot of apples. :D
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011   General Artist
That's what they always say...An apple a day keeps the Pedo-Priest away.
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Ainrana Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
We were Protestants. :XD:
So, an apple a day keeps the...Fred Phelps away?
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011   General Artist
Pedo-Preacher then.:D
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Ainrana Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
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Say, have you ever noticed that like, 99% of the time, the pastor for the adults is male but the pastor for children is female?
Plus, the pastor is almost always in his fifties or so, with a wife and kids who are in college/teenagers? I've only met one pastor who was single, and he hated every minute of it.
I thought that female pastors and gay pastors were allowed, now, in Protestantism. What gives?
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2011   General Artist
No idea. For me, a gay preacher is still half-way in denial.
They have accepted their sexuality, but still believe in an invisible deity.
It's like the joke about the bargain-basement approach to sexuality.
There are those that will confess to bisexuality as a step toward becoming comfortable with admitting their homosexuality.
Some folks, the punchline says, are "Bi now, Gay later".
Same thing with gay preachers.
They've come out of the sexual closet, but have yet to remove the religious blindfold.
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Sapphiresenthiss Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahaha, and of course it's all because of Satan!
I've got enough of my grandparents babbling "Bad Satan, bad Satan, blablabla..."...
I think they should get a dog and name it Satan, then they would have a reason to say all day "bad Satan!".
Lol, it's funny to hear how they're self-confident.
My childhood wasn't easy, when I was forced to stay with them for several hours :XD:
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011   General Artist
Knowledge of good and evil leads to demanding to be not treated evilly.
This is frowned upon by Christians, apparently.
Better you didn't know you were being abused.
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ancestorsrelic Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, we all know the story... But if you think about it strictly logical, it contains some interesting facts. Okay, let us take a look into the book of the books... Nonono... not the Necronomicon, i mean the book of the other team ;-)

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” (Genesis 2)

A little bit later....

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. (Genesis 3)

Ooookay.... now we can extract the really interesting facts:

1. Eve and Adam didn't die. So God had lied!
2. The snake had said the truth!
3. The snake had give us unrestricted access to intentional witholded informations!


So we should build rather temples for the snake instead of churches to thank her for the sucessful "jailbreak" of our minds ;-)
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011   General Artist
Snake knows you're right.
I swear to snake I never thought of it that way before.
Your comment is truly a snake-send.
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CornelioDragon Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Student Digital Artist
X)))))
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011   General Artist
Thanks.:)
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CornelioDragon Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Student Digital Artist
NP)))
By the way chirch in Russia are nothing better - I kinda had experiece too... fooking liars everywhere :\
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011   General Artist
So true...no shortage of ignorant people anywhere on the globe.
In fact, I understand stupid people breed more prolifically than smart ones.
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lichodite Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Just great... (=
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011   General Artist
Thanks.:)
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WolfieInu Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011
If I may be pedantic, that was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowledge itself is good. Man determining his own morality apart from God is bad. That's the message.

Also, the Fall of Humanity is not Eve's fault. It's Adam's fault because unlike Eve he wasn't fooled by the Devil, but chose to go ahead anyway. Eve was making a mostly honest mistake, but Adam rebelled.

Hey I know you disagree. ;P But just to better inform you of what you're disagreeing with. No offense.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011   General Artist
Well, of COURSE the writers of the bible didn't put the blame on the woman.
A woman was CHATTEL in those days.
Making Eve responsible would have been like blaming the dog.
The woman had to be portrayed as unable to make lofty decisions.
Only a man could be portrayed as able to sin deliberately.
Also, I would add that many believers are incapable of perceiving the underlying message the way you have interpreted it.
You may disagree with my interpretation of the words written long before we were born if you choose, think of it as artistic license if you like.
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WolfieInu Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011
Funny that Christianity is blamed for oppressing women whereas Christian civilization was the only place where women were ever liberated. Ditto for slavery.

Also, might I add that your method of interpreting the motivations behind the Bible writers makes it impossible to have a constructive dialog in any way? If the Bible blamed Eve, then you'd complain because it makes the woman's "quest for knowledge" seem evil, therefore the Bible must be saying that women belong barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Conversely, if Eve is not responsible, then it's because the Bible considers her inferior. So what exactly do you want the Bible to say? Not to be flippant - it's an honest question.

You may have your own opinions about the (in?)validity of Christianity if you like, that's your prerogative. But it helps to see these things in perspective.
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KeswickPinhead Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011   General Artist
I believe I have a unique perspective about christianity, as a result of being persecuted by christians.
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WolfieInu Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2011
Persecuted, how so? If so then I apologize on behalf of those who did it, if you'll allow it...
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